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You need a quote from the author or not by the author stating it is a reference and not a theory that you think it's likely a reference. &mdash; Morder (talk) 08:02, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

I might not be explaining myself properly. "The minor character Ilya Nikolaievich is likely a reference to 's " this statement must come from the author saying that it is a reference and not your theory that it is a reference. &mdash; Morder (talk) 08:38, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * If that is the case, then why is there the statement earlier that another char may be a Mary Sue of the author? There is no citation whatsoever on that statement.


 * I apologize for the improper citing. I assumed a bit of trivia that is self-evident to someone with the same frame of reference as the author might be appreciated by those lacking that frame. While the author of the novel has not, as far as I know, specifically stated the character was an Illya reference, she did state that she was a big fan of Illya, and it seems very unlikely that her making a character named after him, with his exact physical appearance, is a coincidence. I will adjust to make it more clear this is theory; if that's unwelcome, then delete it. Apologies again.

With regards to your first question...there are a lot of things still uncited on this site that we haven't noticed or added tags to. A lot of fan speculation has been added to this site before we added the rules about requiring definitive resources for statements made on this site. We just haven't found it all - if you see any feel free to add an incite tag. The reason for this is that a lot of things you might think are obvious but sometimes they just aren't. For instance there's a reference to Batman (The episode ) Someone thought it was a Batman reference while others thought it was a Charles Dickens reference (The phrase "in the pale moonlight" originates from the 1836 Charles Dickens novel The Pickwick Papers.) As you can see there are two possible obvious sources for this one thing and both can't be right - that is why we need citations to prove assertions. The actual reference is from Batman as proved by a citation found on. &mdash; Morder (talk) 21:27, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * So by the site's rules, if Moore had not made this statement in chat, there would be no way to mention either possibility? I would think it would be more useful to readers to mention that the pale moonlight quote could be a reference to one of two things, rather than deny it's any reference whatsoever...


 * What confuses me is that it isn't a bald assertion; that was my mistake, which I corrected that after my first post. As stands, it's a suggestion that, given the established predilections of the book's author, it is very likely that this character is an Illya Kuryakin cameo. The only clear statements I make area that the author was a fan of Illya Kuryakin (which I cited), that the character's name is a common fan-spelling of Illya's (which I mentioned, and then it got cited) and that the character is described in detail to look exactly like Illya Kuryakin (which I also cited.) From this, I infer that, given these three facts, there is likely a relationship, but I did not state it to absolutely be true.  --24.18.185.114 21:45, December 12, 2009 (UTC)