Talk:USS Lakota

Is Lakota Enterprise B?
There is some circumstantial evidence to suggest that USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B is in fact the same ship as USS Lakota NCC-42768:

1) Canonically these are the only two Excelsior-class ships seen to be of the same "side fairings" variant.

2) We have seen other Excelsior-class vessels with registry numbers lower and higher than Lakota's 42768 and all of them are of the standard Excelsior variant.

3) There is no evidence that Enterprise B was ever destroyed.

4) There seems to be a degree of prestige associated with the Lakota.

5) At the time of Lakota's commissioning (about midway between the commissioning of Enterprise C's sister ships [based on their registry numbers] and the commissioning of USS Galaxy [based on its registry number]) it is entirely possible that Enterprise C was still active, so if Enterprise B had been recommissioned (for whatever reason brought out of mothballs) she would require a new name and registry number.

I realize that this is all speculation, but I think the evidence is compelling and would like to see any other opinions or evidence confirming or refuting this hypothesis. Sings-With-Spirits 00:40, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * An interesting theory, but as it is speculation, it doesn't need to be refuted- it can't be in the article without citeable evidence.--31dot 00:51, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I doubt that the Enterprise-B is still in use by the time of the Enterprise-D/E under a different name...it's just a reuse of the same model, and that represents a specific variant of the Excelsior class. No need to complicate it by saying that it has to be the same ship; it's just another ship with the same feature. --Golden Monkey 06:04, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) 2 seen isn't 2 existing, it's 2 that we know about. We never saw all the Excelsiors.
 * 2) Registration numbers are not fully understood and it isn't known if they are a fool-proof way to tell age.
 * 3) There is no evidence that it wasn't destroyed or simply vanished like several other ships. It's captain was still a n00b, unlike other Enterprises.
 * 4) Any well known or experienced ships can gain prestige, it's not an Enterprise exclusive thing.
 * 5) *See #2* – Fadm tyler 03:03, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) But we have seen many, many Excelsior-class ships, with only these two being the exact same variant.
 * 2) While this may be true for the early ships (namely the TOS Contitution-class), they have been fairly consistent in that they are sequential, so having a registry number in the 40k range means that this ship was absolutely and definitely commissioned long after Enterprise B.
 * 3) There is no evidence either way (unless you discount Lakota itself). Point is, we don't know. Also, Captain Harriman may not have been a line officer, but may have been the commander of Enterprise B for its launching and trials. (Really, I don't think Starfleet would give command of their flagship to such a dunderhead).
 * 4) True, but the context here does lend itself to speculation.
 * 5) See #2. Furthermore, we have actual on-screen visuals of Excelsior-class ships that closely preceeded and succeeded Lakota (USS Hood (Excelsior class) and USS Valley Forge) which are of the standard Excelsior-type, lending argument that Starfleet did not just suddenly return to building "B" variant Excelsior hulls.

Sings-With-Spirits 10:23, April 19, 2010 (UTC)