User talk:84.163.126.12

Cite your sources
Your personal opinion does not meet Memory Alpha's source criteria. If you are interested in mentioning criticism Star Trek was not as allegorical as previous or subsequent films you will need to cite reviews to balance out the section. Your write-up contained purely subjective statements that TOS had a "mainly philosophical approach", which is not shared by everyone as indicated by Greg Cox on my userpage, or that the films have "more in common with Bond movies" when one could argue Bond and Kirk are similar characters. --Alientraveller (talk) 12:18, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

James Bond is a professional killer. James Kirk tried to explore the galaxy. You're not that familiar with Star Trek, are you? --84.163.126.12 15:47, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * My point is, stop edit-warring and find reliable sources. --Alientraveller (talk) 15:52, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * There. That's the standard MA aspires to. :) --Alientraveller (talk) 15:59, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Very well, that's a start. However, as someone who has probably watched every single Star Trek episode I don't really need to cite any film critic. I could cite myself if you insist:-). The facts themselves matter, and it's self-explanatory that Star Trek isn't what it used to be. See for yourself:

Star Trek about racism and the idiocy of war:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5-oc3FdRSY

Star Trek, once again, about the idiocy of war:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga2LB_k0xNs

"Mainly philosophical approach" is not my personal opinion. It used to be the basis for Gene Roddenberry's universe. --84.163.126.12 16:22, May 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * If it's not your personal opinion, then you should be able to find something to back up what you say that can be cited, such as a passage in a book, statement from people who have worked on the show, etc. Memory Alpha is not for posting original research or our own views.  BTW, you're not the only person "who has probably watched every single Star Trek episode", I have as well- and I cite my sources. 31dot (talk) 16:29, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Things don't become true just because you cite someone. You can only cite someone if his arguments are reasonable. Those episodes from the Sixties and their intellectual approach are facts.--84.163.126.12 16:34, May 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you are confused. It isn't about citing someone's arguments, it's about citing sources of information.  There are plenty of sources which state Star Trek was made in the 1960s and that it has certain intellectual approaches.  We need to know where information is coming from; we do not post original research or unsourced opinions.


 * I will also ask you to leave other users alone, especially those who simply point out how things work here. 31dot (talk) 18:06, May 22, 2013 (UTC)