User:Scarecroe/Talkpage/Archive2006-2012

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First names
The first name thing is one of my peeves as well. I've been purging articles of that syntax whenever I find it. A related peeve is the tendency of some people to use first names all the time for some characters, and last names for others. An egregious example is that of Geordi La Forge; some of the archivists use Geordi this and Geordi that, while using Picard, Riker, Troi, etc. for the other characters. There are other examples, but the La Forge one is the most common and widespread. To me, it seems extremely fannish, and not at all encyclopedic. -- Renegade54 16:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's annoying for real life people certainly. For characters, I could see using a first name if it's in the right context -- especially with Geordi because his first name is probably used more than his last. But yeah, I mostly agree that first names should not be used in an encyclopedic reference. — Scott ( talk ) 17:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Image categories
Hi! I did realize that you couldn't search for images with that TOC, and I was planning on creating a new one that would work eventually, so thanks for saving me the trouble. :) What I was doing, though, was trying to debug the issue that you brought up in the talk page, and so was using that existing TOC to move quickly to Sub-category topics (as opposed to the images themselves), rather than paging through all the images to get where I wanted. To answer a some of the questions you posed on the talk page:
 * Not all of the categories listed in the top (transcluded) section are actual subcats of Category:Memory Alpha images; many are subcats of other subcats.
 * All the subcats should have been categorized under their parenthetical text; most were, but not all, so some were showing up in the wrong place alphabetically. I fixed those.
 * Category:Memory Alpha images (Ferengi) doesn't show up because it's not a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images, but instead a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images (individuals), which in turn is a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images.
 * BUT... Category:Memory Alpha images (individuals) doesn't show up in the sub-category listing anywhere under Category:Memory Alpha images, and neither does Category:Memory Alpha images (insignia), which is also tagged as a subcat of Category:Memory Alpha images. All the other subcats are now showing up in the right places alphabetically.
 * When I recategorized Category:Memory Alpha images (individuals) under "HIndividuals" rather than "Individuals", it showed up just fine. Apparently, there's a bug that's not allowing the entries that start with "I" to show up. Very odd.

Other than that, all works as expected. -- Renegade54 17:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Categorization is case sensitive, I think - so if all images are categorized as "Image", then "individuals" would probably appear after the last image, on the last category page. Have you checked that? -- Cid Highwind 17:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you're partly right. ;) The subcats were all alphabetized with initial uppercase strings, so it's not a problem with upper vs. lowercase. What it it is is that both "Individuals" and "Insignia" come after "File:xxx" alphabetically, so the subcats that start with "I" don't show up until the last page of "File:xxx" files. So, using the TOC you can easily get to subcats that start with "A" through "H" and "J" through "Z", but if it starts with "I", if it falls alphabetically before "Image", you're ok... but if it falls after "Image", you don't see the subcats until the very end of the images. Whew!. I'm going to redo the subcats so that they all get pushed to the beginning of Category:Memory Alpha images. -- Renegade54 18:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't account for some of them being subcats of subcats. I wonder if the subcats should be pushed to the end of the main Image category with the expectation that the transcluded info be used instead. It might prove less confusing. I believe using either | ~ (pipe, space, tilde) or |~ (pipe, tilde) should do it. — Scott ( talk ) 01:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Images
Please take a moment to read the image use policy. All images uploaded to MA need a proper image licensing template as well as citations. Images without an image licensing template or citation will be removed from articles and are subject to deletion. If you have any questions about how to add the requirements or why this needs to be done, feel free to ask.--31dot 22:13, February 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the note about image usage. I just clicked on the Image button on the edit page. To help people who are new to wikis, maybe there could be a better explanation that their image will be deleted unless they go through a complicated process first. As someone who's been editing wikis for years, it's discouraging to get such a message -- I imagine the experience is less welcoming for people not as familiar with the process. —Scott (message me) 22:16, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the proper information.

We've been using the above message for some time, with few complaints. I'm not sure how much "better" such a message could be. If we don't inform new users of how things are done here, they will not learn how to do them properly. That is the only motivation for the message, it is not meant to be offensive or unwelcoming. If you are interested in changing the message or suggesting other ways to encourage users to properly upload and cite images, I would suggest starting a Ten Forward discussion or starting one on the talk page for the Template I used (edithint-images). --31dot 22:22, February 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, please add the proper copyright template and citations to images you upload. - 21:37, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I just can't seem to figure the templates out. —Scott (message me) 21:40, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the future then, when you find an image that you think should be included, just ask someone else to upload it for you. This will reduce the risk of us having images without copyrights. - 21:53, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it be easier to upload the image and ask someone to add the code? —Scott (message me) 21:57, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it would be easier if you seemed willing to learn how to use the template. I for one would rather not have a copyright violation in the database that someone else has to fix for any amount of time, because unlike most other wikis "hosted" by wikia, we actually care about operating within US law. - 22:07, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why you've been so consistently rude to me. I've tried to use your template system, but I continue to have trouble with it. —Scott (message me) 22:09, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's rude to expect users who upload images to be willing to make sure the site can continue to operate legally. You've said you've had issues with the template, you have never said what they are. Are you just unfamiliar with how templates work, or just this one? I can't help you until I known what part you're having a problem with. Also, retain your indent. - 22:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe I'm seeing something different than you are. Here's what I see when I upload an image. —Scott (message me) 22:23, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * You should not be uploading images inside the editor, it's "broken", nor should you even be able to use the visual editor here at all. Use Special:Upload instead, which can be added to your navigation bar at the bottom of the page. Regardless of how the image is uploaded, you should be adding the correct information to the file description page, as outlined here. - 22:28, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't know it was broken. Can you disable it? —Scott (message me) 22:34, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * See Help:Talk pages about retaining your indent.
 * It's only broken in that it bypasses all instructions about how to upload images and how the software was suppose to be used; wikia just doesn't care about any of that, so don't use it. The link suggestions will work for images as well, so it's completely unnecessary. - 22:52, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by the indent. Why don't you guys use Message Wall? —Scott (message me) 22:53, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indent is the number of colons you use to step your comments in. We choose not to use the message wall because it is poorly designed and works well for social wikis, of which this is not one. -- sulfur 23:06, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's a million times better than expecting everyone to keep track of how much to indent and sign each post with a timestamp, and it's got a better notification system and allows for better tracking so more people can help resolve issues on the wiki. But if you guys like it, that's cool. —Scott (message me) 23:13, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

It's really not that hard to figure out. If you were the first poster of a section, use no indent. If you were the second poster, use one; the third poster, two, and so on. All that needs to be done is to keep the indent the same throughout the section being posted on, this helps to keep track of who wrote what. I'm not sure I agree that the MWall is better but this isn't the forum for me to debate that. 31dot 23:17, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * We're not discussing the how wikia has done you no favors by lowering the bar, were discussing what needs to be added to images according to US and international law, and how to do so. - 23:24, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I see what you mean now. Every wiki has a different style. On most of the wikis I've worked on, we always used to indent one more space with each reply until we got about 7 or 8 indents in. That's why I wasn't sure what you meant. It's tough remembering everyone's personal preferences. —Scott (message me) 23:42, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right, my bad. We were talking about one thing and that led to another. Sometimes that happens in a conversation. Sorry about that. I'll keep the templates bookmarked so I can find them more easily later. —Scott (message me) 23:54, April 17, 2012 (UTC)