Talk:Orion Nebula

Was the Hubble telescope ever mention in Trek, or is this a real-world reference that should be deleted? -- Renegade54 14:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the Hubble reference, as I do not remember it being mentioned. The article itself, including the name, can be kept in my opinion, per the practice established with the time stream pictures that were never named, per say, such as World Trade Center, Osama Bin Laden, Mikhail Gorbachev, etc. --OuroborosCobra talk 14:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't get why the Hubble telescope (not even a link) mention was removed. That image is one taken by the Hubble telescope which was then used in VOY. Just like we mention, that a piece of classical music (only heard) was composed by a composer (without creating an article for him, of course) or mention that a painting that was seen was created by Vermeer (without creating an article for him) I don't get why we shouldn't mention the Hubble telescope. The images are pretty specific and could only be taken by the telescope, so this might as well stay, at least as a background info. --Jörg 15:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right, the analogies are valid, and in all those cases, the mentions should probably go into a background note rather than in the article body. There, they could be linked inline to, say, a Wikipedia article. -- Renegade54 15:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If we start like this, we'd have articles like:


 * The "Moonlight" Sonata, is a piece of music.


 * Nella Daren played a small excerpt of the piece on her Mataline II piano in a Jefferies tube aboard the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D) in 2369.


 * The "Moonlight" Sonata, properly known as Piano Sonata No. 14 in C sharp minor, was composed by Ludwig van Beethoven in the early 19th century. A small excerpt of the first movement (Adagio sostenuto) was heard in the episode.


 * That would be the article stripped to the bare bones, reducing it to this is too much in my opinion. This is a real world piece of music heard in Trek, composed ages ago - no speculation here like with starship names (who was it named after again...). Why shouldn't we at least include the bare bones, name, composer and date. We could just as well then move the article to "Piece of music played by Nella Daren" and then mention its proper name and everything else in the background section. --Jörg 15:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I, for one, have no problem with that, i.e. assuming that, unless we have something specific to say otherwise, events, people, music, art, literature, etc. seen or heard in the Trek universe are the same as in the real world. We need to 1) agree as a community that that's the way we're going to handle things, and 2) be consistent in the application of that rule. -- Renegade54 16:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)