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NEWS: Star Trek online beta
Is Star Trek Online considered cannon? If it is the beta testing started on 1/12/10
 * No. It's not canon.  It's a game. -- sulfur 13:56, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought that Rick Berman and JJ Abrams considered it canon for the purposes of Star Trek future --LordChaotic 05:55, April 2, 2010 (UTC)LordChaotic
 * I'm fairly sure we're not gonna see anymore of that future on screen (tv and/or film) anymore, so it's not like there's going to be anything to directly contradict it. 92.17.178.169 14:43, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Nothing to contradict it" is not the standard that determines what is canon. If it was, we'd be in an even more difficult position. Wouldn't we therefore have to accept novels? What are you going to do about the fact that the Destiny novel arc directly contradicts Star Trek Online? --OuroborosCobra talk 17:21, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Arrangement
Could we possibly start up something to rearrange the layout of the Main Page? I don't like having to scroll down to see the Article of the Week and Picture of the Day, especially with the ads (I wish we could remove them)- JustPhil 20:09, January 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * The "Star Trek is here! Want to know more?" part should be put in the right side or removed, at least made much much smaller to move things up a bit. Also, you could use the monobook skin to have some fewer ads. Go to preferences/skins and select monobook. --bp 22:06, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've moved some things around and I put the "Where to watch" thing into columns, but that CSS3 column stuff only works in firefox and webkit. --bp 22:36, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you should probably put something in that big huge empty space on the right now (if your resolution is low) &mdash; Morder (talk) 22:39, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to try and move browse over and make browse two columns instead of three, which looked pretty good, but my internet connection died just as I was saving it. Anyway, I think that is a good plan. --bp 23:15, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, since you hadn't updated anything in a while I figured you just didn't notice :) carry on &mdash; Morder (talk) 23:17, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, but it looks kindof crunched, maybe it needs smaller text. --bp 23:26, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally (and this is just me) I think we should have a layout similar to Wikipedia, with the featured article at the top and news at the side. We don't need the "Upcoming Productions" immediately visible since there aren't too many productions coming up. Maybe we should make this a general discussion and then vote on a new layout.- JustPhil 23:50, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Latest News is now in the top third, mostly, when using the monobook skin. And most reasonable resolutions should have the article of the week at least partialy visible without scrolling. The Article of the Week changes once a week, maybe it should be under the picture of the day. Other than that, there's not really a whole lot more re-arranging that can be done. We don't have as much width as Wikipedia. Maybe the DYKs could be in the second column above upcoming releases. --bp 00:06, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would just like to say I support these changes 100% . - 05:40, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Make that 95%, as Browse Memory Alpha should till be the first thing in the main space IMO. The Picture of the Day could be moved to the right maybe, though I'm not sure if the 400px+ images would still fit then. - 06:17, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that I agree with Archduk3. We should have the browse memory alpha thingy first. Without it, the front page looks like it's missing things. NX-74205 16:29, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Haiti dedication
I've been meaning to bring this up for a few days now, but kept getting sidetracked. Typically when major disasters occur (Hurricane Katrina, the Virginia Tech massacre, etc.), we put up a dedication on the front page which typically started with "The community's thoughts and prayers go out to..." I was wondering why we haven't done anything for the victims of the earthquake in Haiti and their friends and families? I propose that we go ahead and put one up, especially considering they just got walloped again with a 6.1 magnitude aftershock. --From Andoria with Love 13:45, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. - 14:34, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as well. Conservapedia bashed Wikipedia for not doing it.- JustPhil 15:46, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Since it's already a week late, I went ahead and added it. Any comments, complaints, suggestions, or opinions regarding it can be posted below. Thanks for the responses, guys. --From Andoria with Love 16:13, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're speaking for the whole Memory Alpha community without any discussion, again, about something that has nothing at all to do with Star Trek. Furthermore many of us are athiests who don't speak to non-existent beings on behalf of anyone, not even disaster victims. Also, I'm certain that Wikipedia has more actual-factual coverage of the disaster than Conservapedia, and no Wikipedia article is claiming that Haiti's pact with the devil caused the earthquake. Anyway, 1) Let individuals speak for themselves if they like, but don't speak for everyone, 2) A Memory Alpha notice is not the place for this because it is completely unrelated to Trek, and 3) it's an empty sentiment to look at someone suffering and say "I'll speak to invisible man about your misery" and perhaps even more meaningless to say that we're thinking about them in between writing in detail about fictional spaceships. Anyway, I've fixed the message. You're Welcome. --bp 11:47, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * If this is in keeping with precedent relating to other major disasters, I see no problem with it. It is not unreasonable to acknowledge major suffering in the world and while it will do little to alleviate it, it puts it in everyone's mind.  As to "don't speak for everyone", things here are done by consensus, not total agreement or a straight vote.  Maybe there could have been a little more discussion, or not, but I think you would be hard pressed to argue such a message does not represent the consensus of everyone here.  --31dot 11:57, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * As an aside, that text thing doesn't work anywhere but the continental US. -- sulfur 11:57, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear that "things here are done by consensus" when broad statements about everyone's thoughts are made by an admin without any discussion, and I'm not hard pressed at all to say that a message claiming that all Memory Alpha is praying for victims would not represent consensus. The "precedent" was set by Shran doing this kind of thing in the past, met with similar objections, probably most were from me. This kind of thing is out of place here. Anyway, I've revised the message with an option for international folks. --bp 12:18, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * It says "thoughts" in addition to prayers. If you can find a better single word to express both, be my guest.  If by your own admission you are the only one objecting, that would seem to suggest that there is a consensus, otherwise more would object.--31dot 12:33, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already changed thoughts and prayers to just thoughts, so I don't know what your "be my guest" remark is about. Also, I said mostly by me, but there were others, and this is one of those things that is messy to oppose, obviously, but did I mention this has nothing to do with Star Trek? --bp 13:17, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * No one is writing an article about it. Frankly I'm amazed this discussion is even taking place.--31dot 14:32, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * To be honest - I only saw this discussion yesterday, after the message had already been added to the front page. At that point I decided to not bring it up immediately - because it is hard to not come across as some heartless bastard if you're advocating the removal of such note while people are still dying there (which I am not - and I guess bp isn't, either). However, I think bp is generally right. I am thinking about what happened there, also for somewhat personal reasons, but on the other hand, whenever I come across such note on other pages, it just feels cheap to me. It's not helping any of the disaster victims, and at the same time, might even be an additional depressant to someone just visiting us (or that random other page) to find some relief from the bad news everywhere else... maybe we can just leave that note as-is, and then have a general discussion about such things in a week or two? -- Cid Highwind 17:31, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the idea that our note isn't helping anyone. It is more than just "our thoughts are with you," it advocates action for people to take that has an actual real impact help to the Haiti situation. Whether it belongs here at all, advocating helpful action or not, is another matter. --OuroborosCobra talk 17:48, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

When I first brought this up for discussion, my intention was to wait for a general consensus. However, after two responses in support of the idea, I went ahead and added it because it was already a week late, and if there were any objections, the note could be changed or removed if necessary. The reason I brought it up in the first place was due to a precedent to acknowledge such events; whether that precedent was set by me, I couldn't tell you, nor could I tell you whether those previous notices brought up similar objections. My memory just doesn't go back that far (or, at least, is not so sharp as to remember something like that), nor could I find any such discussions in the talk page archives. I'll be sure to remember that there are people object to the sentiment, though, so I'll think twice before suggestion such a thing in the future. As for the reference to "prayers," as an agnostic (which is basically Atheist Lite), I don't find it particularly offensive. I was attempting to speak for an entire community, and I'm sure there are community members who engage in prayer and I didn't want to exclude the sentiment. Again, though, I'll think twice before suggesting any sort of message since there are clear (and somewhat understandable) objections. --From Andoria with Love 19:20, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Re:Cobra - yes, it is now, after bp added a donation possibility. In fact, I no longer have a big problem with it, now that it isn't just "empty talk" (no offense, Shran, I know it was done with just the best intentions). Perhaps this is something we could talk about in more detail on another page - find some project that we think we can generally advocate (the ICRC seems to have the right "spirit" already), and then create a project page for that? -- Cid Highwind 19:43, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Cid, lets wait a couple weeks and then talk about it. Thanks Cid for speaking up. Shran, thanks for the consideration. I understand why you'd want to do it. --bp 03:49, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Chile quake
Well it's been a few weeks, and mother nature provided us with another large quake. I was think about changing the notice to something for, or including, the Chile quake, using the info listed here. Thoughts? - 09:31, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is a month later, and people are still suffering in Haiti, now in Chile as well. If it is part of our mission as an encyclopedia of the fictional Star Trek universe to bring attention to worldwide suffering, then lets not forget anyone. Please wait while I compile the list of notices we will need.... we may have to move some of that Star Trek junk off the main page, no one is coming here for that anyway. --bp 13:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haiti was an example of extraordinary circumstances. Chile simply is not. The loss of life is about 250 times less than Haiti, they do not require anywhere near the international aid, etc. Our purpose with the Haiti note was because a disaster of basically epic proportions, with loss of life among the worst of any disaster in modern times (rivaling even the Indonesian tsunami), and a country requiring massive aid including individual donations. Chile is in nowhere near the same position. We don't need to list every disaster that happens. Haiti was extraordinary, Chile, while tragic for those effected, is not. --OuroborosCobra talk 18:38, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * But the day shortened by 1.6 microseconds. That's pretty huge. -- sulfur 18:47, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, well, the Chile quake itself was technically something like 500 or 1000 times more powerful than Haiti. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:02, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know what "our purpose" has been, but my argument throughout has been that this kind of message, on silly website like this, is contextually irrelevant and, as someone else said before, cheap. Anyway, you've got your answer Archduk, Chile "simply" wasn't tragic enough for a notice box, sorry. --bp 19:23, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it "simply" is not extraordinary circumstances that would cause us to put up a "contextually irrelevant" notice. That is, unless a lot of others decide we need to. I'd be fine if we had a discussion on that, might have been nice had that happened before the Haiti note went up too. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:40, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Mikey Won!
The Golden Globe for Best Musical Score went to Michael Giacchino for his work in Up. Way 2 Go! Worth mentioning in "Latest News"? (I hope I don't seem insensitive; I already donated to the Red Cross and volunteered, so there.) -- Happy Solar Sailing
 * Sure. I've added it but, anyone can add a news item, I think. --bp 10:31, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yah, I guess it's worth mentioning. I didn't add it to the news because it wasn't Star Trek he for which he won. Also, the Golden Globes haven't really been... shall I say... "relevant" since the early 1980s. They're basically the half-witted son of the Oscars and the Emmys. IMHO, of course. :) But if someone else wanted to add it, fine by me. :-D --From Andoria with Love 14:09, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Golden Globes were ever relevant? --bp 22:47, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

2009 Star Trek, new alternative timeline? (alternative universe)
I watched this film and a question popped into my mind. Even on the movie, the crew states that when romulan miningship entered to this timeline, it was severed from last timeline. Thus everything discussed in the alternative timeline (new series) should be separated from original series. But how can we separate the possibly happened events in the original series and the new things at the new series???

as i can see it, theres now 5 different timelines.
 * original series
 * 1. Past
 * 2. Current timeline (23rd century)
 * 3. Future (24th century)
 * New series
 * 4. past (altered (Picard being orphaned)
 * 5. Current altered timeline
 * 6. Future not being happened yet (and altered) so this can be discarded.

So only constant things are that to the point where first enterprize was destroyed by romulan workship, things could have ::happened, but theres so many huge paradox, as enterprize had visited the earth to alter things, now that future is gone, things werent altered in the past and so on. So should we mark things as being alternative timeline, dark alternative timeline (mirror universe), altered timeline? As alternative timeline was altered (it never happened possibly), several occasions movie universe saw the mirror universe where starfleet was at the brink of destruction and everything seemed to be evil, and latest universe, which is happening now, where vulcans are at brink of endangered species, theres 2 spocks... you see what i am trying to tell here?

please, discuss. --JHawx 03:21, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're about 8 or 9 months behind the times. This has already been discussed to death. Look at talk:Star Trek (film) and its various archives. --Alan 04:15, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

NEWS: State of the Franchise
Worth mentioning on the front page i think, looks like a revival for star trek games and possibly a new TV series is in the works: http://trekmovie.com/2010/03/01/exclusive-interview-cbs-products-vp-van-citters-discusses-future-of-star-trek-books-merchandise-attractions-more/ - 15.195.201.88 23:19, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and there's no mention of a TV series in there at all. None. -- sulfur 23:59, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Animated Series
The Animated Series is not cannon. Just wondering why the cannon Star Trek wikia has it on its main page.
 * See MA:CANON. Really.  And it's "canon," not "cannon."  Also, the Animated Series has been declared (according to Paramount) to be canon now. -- sulfur 18:53, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Memory Alpha Calendar
Why is the calendar on the main page always out of sync? Why doesn't anybody fix that? Today's date is Saturday, March 27, 2010. But the calendar was still dated from several days ago. --205.188.117.17 06:28, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pages on Memory Alpha are often cached to reduce database usage and bandwidth. Clearing your cache should resolve the calendar issue - it is fine on my browser. -- Michael Warren | Talk 06:46, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Star Trek Movie and STTNG reboot
Apparently, someone at Paramount is a real idiot. While I am sure that James Cameron is a fine director and all that, Paramount should have left well enough alone and let Mr. Abrams do his thing. Now, as far as that reboot for the Next Generation. If they do that, it is just going to suck. That is all that can be said about it. --64.12.117.17 20:45, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude. Really.  What day is it? -- sulfur 21:06, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I forgot. I feel so ashamed. --205.188.117.17 03:32, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) 64: it's all a joke, mate. April Fools', and all that. The first is poking fun at those who were critical of 2009's Star Trek by suggesting the next movie will be modeled after the lame yet super-successful Avatar. The second takes a jab at the rumors of a TNG reboot by suggesting it will be Coen brothers movie. The third news item, about the LeVar Burton phone number, is a reference to an incident on Twitter where LeVar Burton accidentally tweeted his cell number -- twice -- and had to change it each time, while Brent Spiner and Wil Wheaton teased him about it. --From Andoria with Love 03:36, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, I don't get the joke. That description of what Paramount wants from the sequel sounds like what they got with the last one. --e42randy 4:32, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

DUDE you scared me a little bit --LordChaotic 05:58, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Outer Limits - Star Trek Connection
As may already be well-known here, there are numerous connections between the 1960's Outer Limits series and 1960's Star Trek series -- so many that you can almost consider Outer Limits as a borderline prequel to Star Trek, itself.

Roddenberry, of course, was on set during the taping of the series. Shatner, Doohan, Nimoy were in the series. The giant microbe in the final episode was also used in an episode of Star Trek (both the costume and actor). The transporter effect was also present in Outer Limits. The egghead in one of the episodes was present in the Cage (same costume).

Add to this: the "brain house" episode ("The Guests") vs. the Cage. That one was pretty close. Two pretty women involved in a potential triangle with a young man, who looked like Pike. In the story. the Alien is imposing an illusion on the captives and can force them to move against their will. At the end, the woman the young man fell in love explains why she could not leave her confinement, and reveals her true appearance.

This links extended to the new series: for instance, Data's trial vs. Adam's trial; "a Feasibility Study" (and maybe also "Wolf 359") versus the Borg.

In the new Outer Limits series, in addition to doing a remake of some of the old series episodes, there was an attempt to link up the episodes into a single plot. So, here's an interesting take to add on to this: the linkage also joins up the Outer Limits episodes to the Star Trek universe -- featuring new fan-written cross-over episodes.

205.232.225.156 08:33, June 2, 2010 (UTC) Mark


 * I believe that (some of that) would belong on Star Trek parodies and pop culture references (television). Nothing about the stuff that is "fan-cruft", but some of the citeable references (and by citeable, I mean ones that are definitely the same between series, not the stuff that is "similar" like the two trials). -- sulfur 11:22, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Patrick Stewart Knighted
and its not in the news feed on the main portal? never mind. i now see that it happened in 01... my bad

THE LATENESS OF THE DAY
Is this site based in the United States? I ask because I live in New Jersey and as far late as 6:00pm on Thursday June 17, 2010, the date on this site was still Wednesday June 16, 2010. Memory Alpha used to be so timely in keeping in step with the calender, lately that has not been the case. Can we make sure that the site and the day always match?


 * Are you referring to the dates of posts on the Recent Changes page? I'm not sure how that works with anonymous users, but those who register a username(which requires no personal info) can set the time to their local time.--31dot 23:52, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you're an anonymous user, the times in the recent changes will appear off because they're set on (UTC). As 31dot said, if you create an account (or if you have an account), you can set the site to your own time in your preferences. --From Andoria with Love 00:48, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sidebar
The movie ection on the left has links to articles that are related to all of the first ten movies. Why isn't Star Trek XI included?
 * It might have something to do with us still having a box on the right of the main page with links to everything related to . - 22:01, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why is that still there? Its been over a year.


 * Because we're all to lazy to add links to the sidebar? - 22:24, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Picture of the day
25th July - The Enterprise E isn't showing damage by the sona, it's purposefully releasing gases from the Brair Patch, that it had previously collected through the bussard collecters. ..

92.17.178.169 14:41, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

URL path not consistent with out Star Trek films
Hi,

I've noticed that the URLs for each ST movie have an inconstant naming scheme. The URLs with the -*- are the ones that are to note:


 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_II:_The_Wrath_of_Khan
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_III:_The_Search_for_Spock
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_IV:_The_Voyage_Home
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_V:_The_Final_Frontier
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country
 * -*-http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Generations
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_First_Contact
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Insurrection
 * -*-http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Nemesis
 * -*-http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)

They should appear like this:


 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Generations
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Nemesis
 * http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_(film) (Not sure)

The list is taken from this page: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_films

Mainer82 14:01, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some of the URLs do not have the colon in them because the title of the movie does not have a colon in it. Specifically "Generations" and "Nemesis".  The new movie is simply called "Star Trek", but needs a disambiguation from the title of the overall series, therefore "(film)" gets tagged onto the end of it.  The "Star Trek:" is not a namespace, but simply part of their name proper. -- sulfur 14:17, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that makes sense now. Mainer82 17:17, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Advertising
Not sure where to put this, so I apologize. There's a full page add for something called Auction Hunters that I think is probably supposed to be in the background, but it blocks out the Memory Alpha page as well and I often have to refresh the page several times. Has anyone else come across this? Is there a way to fix it?


 * One way would be to get an account and log in - logged in users don't see as many ads as "anonymous" users. No ad should get in the way of visiting this site, though, and I'm going to forward your report to the people in charge. Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 18:16, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and it seems to have been fixed. And I wasn't worried about the ad itself, but like you said they shouldn't interfere with viewing the site itself so I wanted to let someone know. Have a great day.

Can someone edit the front page?
DS9 has reached season 2 on Channel One in the UK.
 * Done. -- sulfur 20:03, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

TMP Featured on Wikipedia
I'm not sure if anyone would care, or if it's at all notable here on Memory Alpha, but has been placed as the featured article on the front page of (the English) Wikipedia. --06:10, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops, this was by me, I don't know why my name does not appear --Terran Officer 19:58, February 14, 2011 (UTC)