User talk:JamesKnox73

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Please review the canon policy. We only have information in articles that was given in canon; speculation and real-world information not given in canon are not permitted.--31dot 17:53, October 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi 31dot,


 * Just wondering why my expansion to the article "Social work" is not being admitted? Thanks.


 * --JamesKnox73 17:56, October 28, 2011 (UTC) James

Please see my above post(and please respond on this page to keep the discussion in one place)--31dot 18:01, October 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Read and understood. Sorry about that.  Can you unlock the page and I will attempt a re-write of my expansion without speculation or canon violation?

JamesKnox73

I can unprotect the page, but with respect I'm not really sure what in there would be from canon. Most of what you wrote, while written well, seemed to be original research, with a little speculation at the end.--31dot 18:07, October 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am a social worker, and I just thought the article should be outlined in a bit more detail. It is unfortunate that there aren't more references to social work within ST Canon, but I felt that it is important to indicate how social evolved over the 20th century since Edith Keeler's time. This article expansion is in my own words.

By "original research" I meant something that you wrote yourself; it was "original" in that it was describing things not seen in canon but based on it. While that's an interesting subject to write about, that sort of thing is not really what we're about. If it wasn't specifically seen/described in canon, we don't expand on it. We provide Wikipedia links to direct users to real-world information about a subject. For expanding on canon I would suggest the Star Trek Expanded Universe or Memory Gamma wikis, which are intended for expanding on what was seen in canon.--31dot 18:21, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

I'll lay off you now; if others agree/disagree they will weigh in. --31dot 18:22, October 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your guidance in this area. I've finalized my editing of this article and I think it meets the standards set out in your guidelines.
 * I don't agree. The second and third paragraphs contain a historical overview of social work not based on anything stated in the episodes or films. The last paragraphs includes references to Star Trek but again is original research. I guess the last paragraph could be shortened and kept as a background note, paragraphs two and three however have to be removed. --Jörg 19:04, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at articles for other professions, like actor, lawyer, chef, mechanic or architect to see what such pages should look like. --Jörg 19:11, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * If this user wants to expand on a page about social workers, I would suggest expanding the Wikipedia one, as our focus is Star Trek first and foremost. That said, it's not like any of this was badly written, just that we only want information directly from canon. - 21:51, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Shortened. I think that the "issue" of social work is directly relevant to Star Trek vis-a-vis the UFP Charter and UFP social policy (i.e. the observable and canonical lack of need of social workers in the 23rd Century and beyond). --JamesKnox73 23:20, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Also, the reason for Paragraph Two is to establish and support the idea that Edith Keeler could be in fact considered a "social worker" at all (especially given the difference in the definition of a social worker between 1930 and 2011). Hope you agree. --JamesKnox73 23:24, October 28, 2011 (UTC)